1 00:00:15,650 --> 00:00:12,169 on this episode of skeptic oh if you get 2 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:15,660 the big picture stuff wrong you can't 3 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:18,930 get a lot of stuff right the scientific 4 00:00:25,249 --> 00:00:22,110 paradigm that we live in tells us that 5 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:25,259 we are biological robots that we are 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:28,619 purely a product of our brain that there 7 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:32,610 is no us in there there is no reality to 8 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:35,070 our experience and that filters down 9 00:00:41,180 --> 00:00:38,070 like you're saying into a medical 10 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:41,190 profession that really does not want to 11 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:44,190 hear about experience the interesting 12 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:46,739 thing is you realize how conditioned the 13 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:48,870 world is in terms of the scientific 14 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:52,550 worldview so patients come to me 15 00:00:58,370 --> 00:00:56,460 thinking that they have to lay out their 16 00:01:01,580 --> 00:00:58,380 problems to me in scientific terms 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:01,590 uh-huh and so they'll start to give me a 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:03,690 scientific medical explanation about 19 00:01:08,899 --> 00:01:05,969 what they have and I'll say I'll stop 20 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:08,909 them and I'll say no no please just tell 21 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:11,070 me what's bothering you let me know what 22 00:01:16,999 --> 00:01:13,889 your experience is and some of them look 23 00:01:19,639 --> 00:01:17,009 at me like I'm crazy as if to say well 24 00:01:21,709 --> 00:01:19,649 don't you understand what arthritis is 25 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:21,719 you know and i'll say yes of course i 26 00:01:25,699 --> 00:01:23,520 understand with arthritis is but i want 27 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:25,709 you to tell me about your experience 28 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:29,100 with this so-called arthritis this label 29 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:31,529 that we've given it this this this box 30 00:01:45,750 --> 00:01:35,369 we've stuck it in to stay with us for 31 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:47,950 welcome to skeptic oh where we explore 32 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:49,640 controversial science with leading 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:52,040 researchers thinkers and their critics 34 00:01:57,310 --> 00:01:54,290 i'm your host alex karras and on this 35 00:01:59,620 --> 00:01:57,320 episode of skeptic Oh homeopathy but 36 00:02:01,930 --> 00:01:59,630 really more than that because what 37 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:01,940 attracted me to our guest today dr. 38 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:04,960 Larry malerba who I have to thank 39 00:02:11,050 --> 00:02:08,000 Bernardo kastrup for pointing me to and 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:11,060 by the way as an aside Bernardo has a 41 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:13,010 new book out and he's going to be 42 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:14,959 joining me to talk about it on skeptical 43 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:16,880 in a couple months so please look 44 00:02:21,699 --> 00:02:19,489 forward to that but anyways what I think 45 00:02:23,860 --> 00:02:21,709 is intriguing about dr. Mohler bus' 46 00:02:26,850 --> 00:02:23,870 ideas and his approach is his 47 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:26,860 willingness to step back and say okay if 48 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:29,780 scientific materialism mind equals brain 49 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:31,760 biological robot stuff that I always 50 00:02:37,259 --> 00:02:34,820 talk about if that's wrong and I think 51 00:02:40,270 --> 00:02:37,269 we've demonstrated that it's provably 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:40,280 scientifically by experimentation by 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:43,970 demonstration wrong then what are the 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:46,850 impacts of that if we're holding on to 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:50,450 it in this field like in medicine and I 56 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:52,970 think that's one of the topics we try 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:02:56,150 and approach in this interview we also 58 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:00,130 talk about whether or not homeopathy has 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:03,230 its own limits because it's kind of 60 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:06,170 played into the conventional 61 00:03:11,289 --> 00:03:09,260 materialistic science scheme that it is 62 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:11,299 become a part of because it's medicine 63 00:03:15,850 --> 00:03:13,310 and that's a really interesting subject 64 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:15,860 that we kind of unravel but don't get 65 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:17,930 into all the way maybe we can talk about 66 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:20,480 that after the show and then finally we 67 00:03:26,140 --> 00:03:23,510 even talked about the CDC the Center for 68 00:03:29,410 --> 00:03:26,150 Disease Control here in the US and their 69 00:03:31,930 --> 00:03:29,420 recent admission very strange contorted 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:31,940 admission that there is in fact a link 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:36,530 between vaccines and autism and why we 72 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:38,690 shouldn't be surprised number one that 73 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:42,170 those kind of links exist and that we've 74 00:03:47,289 --> 00:03:44,540 built a machine that can never come 75 00:03:51,310 --> 00:03:47,299 clean about talking about those things 76 00:03:53,590 --> 00:03:51,320 and if this is news to you which I'm 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:53,600 sure it will be for many of you you can 78 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:56,810 ask yourself the question why didn't you 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:03:57,160 know 80 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:00,730 about this why has ended headline news 81 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:03,850 day after day in the mainstream media 82 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:06,370 but dig a little bit after this show and 83 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:08,500 you'll find out that it is in fact true 84 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:11,140 that you can go listen to the actual 85 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:13,780 recordings of the whistleblower from the 86 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:16,780 CDC and you can read the veiled 87 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:21,040 admission by the CDC online that is in 88 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:23,230 some ways tangential to this interesting 89 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:25,720 dialogue I had with dr. Larry malerba 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:29,470 but in a lot of ways maybe it isn't in 91 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:31,810 any case it was great having him on it's 92 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:33,940 a topic that I haven't really delved 93 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:36,790 into much at all but it was really great 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:38,740 especially since I've always kind of 95 00:04:44,940 --> 00:04:42,250 bashed homeopathy in the past and I love 96 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:44,950 growing and expanding and this interview 97 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:46,390 kind of took me in a different direction 98 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:50,080 so I'm very appreciative for that and I 99 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:52,510 hope you enjoy it as well here's my 100 00:04:57,690 --> 00:04:55,780 interview with dr. Larry Miller ba today 101 00:05:00,570 --> 00:04:57,700 we welcome dr. Larry Miller but a 102 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:00,580 skeptic Oh Larry is a homeopathic doctor 103 00:05:06,690 --> 00:05:03,940 and I have to put a full stop there it's 104 00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:06,700 quite as many of us including myself 105 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:10,360 know that term in and of itself is 106 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:12,790 highly controversial don't worry we're 107 00:05:17,490 --> 00:05:14,440 going to talk a lot about that and what 108 00:05:20,460 --> 00:05:17,500 that means why it is such a hot button 109 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:20,470 issue and how that relates to his work 110 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:21,610 in particular because I think it's very 111 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:23,410 interesting but we're going to move way 112 00:05:28,530 --> 00:05:26,710 beyond that because Larry is also 113 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:28,540 someone who has this tagline that I 114 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:30,760 think fits right into what we do here at 115 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:33,400 skeptic Oh is tagline is building 116 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:36,180 bridges between holistic healing 117 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:39,090 conventional medicine and spirituality 118 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:41,710 so that's going to be interesting to dig 119 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:43,900 into I should mention that he is the 120 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:46,960 author of two books at least I think 121 00:05:51,659 --> 00:05:48,820 there's more but metaphysics and 122 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:51,669 medicine restoring freedom of thought to 123 00:05:57,420 --> 00:05:54,970 the art and science of healing and green 124 00:05:59,940 --> 00:05:57,430 medicine challenging the assumptions of 125 00:06:01,860 --> 00:05:59,950 conventional health care Larry it's 126 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:01,870 great to have you on skeptic oh thanks 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:04,510 so much for joining me hi Alex good to 128 00:06:10,559 --> 00:06:06,210 be with you thanks thanks for having me 129 00:06:13,049 --> 00:06:10,569 so you know for this interview 130 00:06:14,579 --> 00:06:13,059 I mentioned in a previous episode of 131 00:06:16,469 --> 00:06:14,589 skeptical that I'm moving towards this 132 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:16,479 thing of called like I'm calling it 133 00:06:22,409 --> 00:06:19,089 skeptical three-point oh where we do 134 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:22,419 this like online forum exchange between 135 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:26,229 the guests and our audience and we did 136 00:06:31,049 --> 00:06:27,939 that for our this interview we're having 137 00:06:32,909 --> 00:06:31,059 right now and I was really very pleased 138 00:06:36,299 --> 00:06:32,919 with the way that he came out because I 139 00:06:40,669 --> 00:06:36,309 have to tell you I had I have to admit 140 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:40,679 this kind of knee-jerk skeptical idea of 141 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:44,889 homeopathic medicine and I think that 142 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:46,990 some of the things that came up in your 143 00:06:52,379 --> 00:06:49,719 exchange with me as well as some of our 144 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:52,389 forum members it really helped me see 145 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:55,379 beyond that and see in broader terms 146 00:07:01,230 --> 00:06:57,759 what you're really talking about here 147 00:07:03,259 --> 00:07:01,240 but I want you to tell folks a little 148 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:03,269 bit about your kind of philosophical 149 00:07:10,169 --> 00:07:07,180 position of merging these things that is 150 00:07:14,219 --> 00:07:10,179 conventional medicine and more holistic 151 00:07:17,429 --> 00:07:14,229 medicine and how you see homeopathic 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:17,439 medicine fitting in that kind of 153 00:07:24,029 --> 00:07:21,610 landscape sure sure well my my 154 00:07:26,299 --> 00:07:24,039 conventional medical training was 155 00:07:27,779 --> 00:07:26,309 exactly that it was it was conventional 156 00:07:31,139 --> 00:07:27,789 osteopathic training with the 157 00:07:33,949 --> 00:07:31,149 osteopathic medical school and I also at 158 00:07:37,969 --> 00:07:33,959 the same time studying homeopathy 159 00:07:42,689 --> 00:07:37,979 because I had the unique opportunity to 160 00:07:44,459 --> 00:07:42,699 learn homeopathy with a family practice 161 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:44,469 physician who was practicing in one of 162 00:07:49,379 --> 00:07:46,930 the medical school clinics and people 163 00:07:51,719 --> 00:07:49,389 would come to him and he would ask them 164 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:51,729 if what they would prefer and if they 165 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:53,649 wanted conventional medicine he'd give 166 00:07:56,999 --> 00:07:54,789 them that and that they wanted 167 00:07:59,249 --> 00:07:57,009 homeopathic treatment he'd need to offer 168 00:08:02,129 --> 00:07:59,259 that to them so I kind of had this 169 00:08:04,619 --> 00:08:02,139 interesting way of learning the two 170 00:08:08,329 --> 00:08:04,629 systems of Medicine side by side and 171 00:08:12,179 --> 00:08:08,339 that from day one has informed my 172 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:12,189 philosophical views which I have laid 173 00:08:21,179 --> 00:08:17,649 out in my books and the bottom line the 174 00:08:23,909 --> 00:08:21,189 message that i am trying to bring across 175 00:08:26,580 --> 00:08:23,919 is that 176 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:26,590 conventional science and conventional 177 00:08:35,829 --> 00:08:30,680 medicine have their distinct limitations 178 00:08:39,129 --> 00:08:35,839 and they tend to often overstep their 179 00:08:41,170 --> 00:08:39,139 bounds oftentimes not knowing that 180 00:08:44,139 --> 00:08:41,180 they're doing it or not understanding 181 00:08:46,949 --> 00:08:44,149 why or how they're doing it and that 182 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:46,959 perspective I have learned from 183 00:08:52,629 --> 00:08:49,310 practicing my own alternative form of 184 00:08:56,769 --> 00:08:52,639 medicine so from practicing homeopathy I 185 00:09:00,879 --> 00:08:56,779 see the flaws of conventional medicine 186 00:09:05,009 --> 00:09:00,889 and I see where it has gotten it wrong 187 00:09:07,569 --> 00:09:05,019 and another sort of idea is that 188 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:07,579 conventional medicine and conventional 189 00:09:15,819 --> 00:09:11,410 science tend to have this attitude 190 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:15,829 increasingly in our time that science is 191 00:09:20,889 --> 00:09:17,570 science and therefore it's correct 192 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:20,899 because it's science not understanding 193 00:09:27,970 --> 00:09:24,040 that there are a whole slew of 194 00:09:30,939 --> 00:09:27,980 metaphysical / philosophical beliefs 195 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:30,949 that underpin that science now they 196 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:32,690 would disagree with that and a a lot of 197 00:09:37,569 --> 00:09:35,120 them would say no that its scientific it 198 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:37,579 has nothing to do with metaphysics and 199 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:40,940 yet I say it has everything to do with 200 00:09:47,050 --> 00:09:43,790 your worldview your worldview will 201 00:09:49,090 --> 00:09:47,060 determine the type of medicine that you 202 00:09:51,579 --> 00:09:49,100 practice or the type of medicine that 203 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:51,589 you seek out and it makes a big 204 00:09:56,980 --> 00:09:53,660 difference and though that's kind of the 205 00:10:00,189 --> 00:09:56,990 the bottom line messages that I'm trying 206 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:00,199 to educate the public about regarding 207 00:10:04,569 --> 00:10:02,569 the differences between conventional 208 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:04,579 medicine and alternative forms of 209 00:10:10,449 --> 00:10:07,610 medicine and homeopathy and so on what 210 00:10:12,939 --> 00:10:10,459 would I the phrase that kept coming up 211 00:10:16,509 --> 00:10:12,949 for me is I was reading this is your 212 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:16,519 calling [\h__\h] on materialistic 213 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:20,510 science and what flows from that you're 214 00:10:26,470 --> 00:10:23,750 saying is fundamentally flawed so what I 215 00:10:28,809 --> 00:10:26,480 see is a big compared to what right so 216 00:10:31,259 --> 00:10:28,819 if you want to attack homeopathic 217 00:10:33,970 --> 00:10:31,269 medicine if you want to attack 218 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:33,980 conventional medicine I think what I 219 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:36,290 hear you saying is okay compared to now 220 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:36,980 compared to 221 00:10:44,829 --> 00:10:42,440 we know it model that says that 222 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:44,839 everything is reducible to matter which 223 00:10:48,910 --> 00:10:46,730 we know is wrong that says that 224 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:48,920 consciousness is an illusion which is a 225 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:51,769 is falsifiable from a number of respects 226 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:54,470 and therefore takes all this mind brain 227 00:10:59,439 --> 00:10:57,500 interaction completely off the table so 228 00:11:01,480 --> 00:10:59,449 well that's what I read in your work is 229 00:11:03,460 --> 00:11:01,490 someone who's just stepping back and 230 00:11:06,910 --> 00:11:03,470 going wait a minute you know you guys 231 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:06,920 are attacking this kind of medicine this 232 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:09,529 kind of worldview when your worldview 233 00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:12,769 has been so decimated by the best 234 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:15,040 scientific evidence that you have a 235 00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:18,980 non-starter as a paradigm at least the 236 00:11:23,230 --> 00:11:20,720 paradigm that we're starting with is 237 00:11:25,090 --> 00:11:23,240 closer to the reality that we're 238 00:11:27,069 --> 00:11:25,100 discovering so shouldn't that be the 239 00:11:29,019 --> 00:11:27,079 appropriate starting point that's what I 240 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:29,029 hear you saying do you have any thoughts 241 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:31,130 on that am I missing it are we in sync 242 00:11:38,889 --> 00:11:36,529 there no absolutely uh right on you know 243 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:38,899 it's it I'm not anti-science and I'm 244 00:11:44,439 --> 00:11:41,660 sure you aren't either the point is it 245 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:44,449 it depends how you define science and it 246 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:47,170 and that's open to interpretation 247 00:11:53,199 --> 00:11:49,569 science to me as it was originally 248 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:53,209 conceived was simply a method or a tool 249 00:11:59,680 --> 00:11:56,480 to learn about the world around us but 250 00:12:03,519 --> 00:11:59,690 over the course of time we have it has 251 00:12:06,910 --> 00:12:03,529 evolved now into our modern materialist 252 00:12:10,210 --> 00:12:06,920 science which has a whole set of rules 253 00:12:13,059 --> 00:12:10,220 and stipulations about how its practiced 254 00:12:17,019 --> 00:12:13,069 and what it can study and what it's all 255 00:12:20,050 --> 00:12:17,029 about and it does not at the same time 256 00:12:22,930 --> 00:12:20,060 it does not acknowledge those limits it 257 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:22,940 simply says this this is the best there 258 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:24,500 is and it won't acknowledge its own 259 00:12:28,809 --> 00:12:26,510 limitations so let me interject 260 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:28,819 something give folks some specific 261 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:34,029 examples of where that paradigm has 262 00:12:41,290 --> 00:12:37,310 consequences in terms of how people are 263 00:12:43,059 --> 00:12:41,300 diagnosed treated and the rest how we 264 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:43,069 can put a finger right on where that 265 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:44,540 that probably that really doesn't make a 266 00:12:50,860 --> 00:12:47,390 lot of sense sure sure well there's a 267 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:50,870 lot of ways that what I call in 268 00:12:57,340 --> 00:12:54,460 of those isms of Medicine those sort of 269 00:13:00,550 --> 00:12:57,350 fundamentalist view points that are too 270 00:13:04,630 --> 00:13:00,560 rigid to be willing to change those isms 271 00:13:07,510 --> 00:13:04,640 inform the practice of medicine and wind 272 00:13:10,450 --> 00:13:07,520 up influencing the outcomes in medicine 273 00:13:12,970 --> 00:13:10,460 so for example you know just on the most 274 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:12,980 fundamental level materialism when when 275 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:17,330 science only chooses to study and 276 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:19,790 acknowledge the reality of material 277 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:23,510 existence it leaves out the entire other 278 00:13:29,470 --> 00:13:26,900 half of existence which is consciousness 279 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:29,480 which is thought which is emotion which 280 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:33,250 is everything having to do with mind and 281 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:35,690 why not the if there's anything that 282 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:37,490 I've learned from practicing homeopathic 283 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:41,140 medicine over these 25 years it's that 284 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:44,570 most illness most illness most physical 285 00:13:52,860 --> 00:13:48,400 illness has its origins in some sort of 286 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:52,870 mental emotional spiritual trauma or 287 00:14:00,090 --> 00:13:56,690 misconception or or or issue or complex 288 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:00,100 that feeds into and eventually generates 289 00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:03,320 physical symptomatology right so if you 290 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:05,240 leave that out of your scientific 291 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:06,920 equation how the heck are you supposed 292 00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:12,560 to handle any kind of illness right so 293 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:15,680 that's sort of the materialistic ISM and 294 00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:18,500 I want him that's not that controversial 295 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:21,380 I mean a lot of leading care or 296 00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:25,880 leading-edge conventional hospitals will 297 00:14:31,150 --> 00:14:28,190 will be caring for people in that way 298 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:31,160 he'll the whole idea of psychology and 299 00:14:36,370 --> 00:14:33,770 psychiatry you know incorporates that in 300 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:36,380 but I think what you point out in your 301 00:14:40,930 --> 00:14:38,510 book and in your writings is it's always 302 00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:40,940 done with this kind of backdoor hush 303 00:14:45,130 --> 00:14:43,279 hush don't call it that you know don't 304 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:45,140 dare admit that we're treating the 305 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:47,510 person holistically we have to kind of 306 00:14:53,740 --> 00:14:49,940 crammed it back into explaining it in 307 00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:53,750 these in these stupid terms that tie 308 00:14:58,060 --> 00:14:55,760 back to this paradigm that we have of 309 00:15:02,350 --> 00:14:58,070 materialism isn't isn't that what's 310 00:15:04,650 --> 00:15:02,360 going on a lot of times sure and and to 311 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:04,660 me you know again I'm not 312 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:06,670 my goal here isn't to tear apart 313 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:09,670 medicine it's to point out flaws so that 314 00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:13,990 it can improve right but conventional 315 00:15:21,689 --> 00:15:16,949 medicines version of holism is rather 316 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:21,699 facile it's just it's not holism to me 317 00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:24,790 doesn't have to do with putting pretty 318 00:15:29,069 --> 00:15:27,040 curtains up in comfortable beds in your 319 00:15:31,499 --> 00:15:29,079 hospital room and having a nice bedside 320 00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,509 manner when you approach the patient 321 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:33,040 those are nice things and they're 322 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:35,800 wonderful but that's not holistic 323 00:15:41,819 --> 00:15:39,000 medicine and to me that's where my 324 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:41,829 homeopathic practice teaches me 325 00:15:50,189 --> 00:15:45,970 otherwise when I know that in order to 326 00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:50,199 treat so-and-so's migraines for example 327 00:15:57,540 --> 00:15:55,180 I have to investigate the very nature of 328 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:57,550 that person's psyche and the things that 329 00:16:02,699 --> 00:15:59,920 are floating around in their mind so the 330 00:16:05,129 --> 00:16:02,709 person may tell me that they have a 331 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:05,139 tendency to be jealous they have a 332 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:08,290 tendency to be sarcastic and they have a 333 00:16:14,999 --> 00:16:12,430 distinct fear of snakes now that sounds 334 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:15,009 rather strange but that is the exact 335 00:16:21,389 --> 00:16:18,850 those are the clues I need to in order 336 00:16:23,999 --> 00:16:21,399 to prescribe a very specific homeopathic 337 00:16:26,009 --> 00:16:24,009 substance that if it fits will very 338 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:26,019 likely get rid of that person's 339 00:16:31,889 --> 00:16:28,600 migraines someone else may come along 340 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:31,899 and say yeah I have migraines and I have 341 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:35,290 a tendency to be apathetic and I can't 342 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:39,490 get myself going and my my house is all 343 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:42,970 cluttered and I can't motivate to do the 344 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:45,220 things I want to do and I tend to be a 345 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:46,689 bit of a know-it-all and I get in 346 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:49,630 arguments all the time and I'm very warm 347 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:52,180 blooded as such that you know I throw 348 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:55,240 the covers off at night because i'm too 349 00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,550 hot under the covers and i also have 350 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:00,160 itchy skin and and when i'm under the 351 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:01,990 covers at night my skin itch is even 352 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:05,350 more so and that's the profile of a 353 00:17:12,409 --> 00:17:08,610 certain archetype so to speak or 354 00:17:15,389 --> 00:17:12,419 stereotype that points to a specific 355 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:15,399 substance a homeopathic substance that 356 00:17:20,690 --> 00:17:18,550 if given to that person will help him 357 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:20,700 overcome his migraines and not only that 358 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:24,130 since it's holistic medicine and since 359 00:17:27,890 --> 00:17:26,350 the goal is not just to treat the 360 00:17:29,730 --> 00:17:27,900 migraines because that's what 361 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:29,740 conventional medicine would do it would 362 00:17:34,500 --> 00:17:32,020 give a pill specifically aimed at the 363 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:34,510 migraines the treatment is aimed at the 364 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:36,570 whole person and therefore the 365 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:39,820 expectation would be that not only would 366 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:41,470 his migraines get better but he might 367 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:43,630 come back and say wow I feel more 368 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:45,490 motivated i started to clean up my act 369 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:48,310 my itchy skin isn't bothering me as much 370 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:50,830 and i have a new perspective on life and 371 00:17:56,940 --> 00:17:54,430 that to me is a genuinely holistic 372 00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:56,950 approach that takes into account the 373 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:00,960 whole right and so we you know there are 374 00:18:09,660 --> 00:18:06,130 sort of little clues you know in that 375 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:09,670 medicine uses to realize that help us 376 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:13,090 realize that it's not as holistic as 377 00:18:22,290 --> 00:18:20,520 you know one of those things that that 378 00:18:25,890 --> 00:18:22,300 word pseudoscience to the throws around 379 00:18:28,380 --> 00:18:25,900 to me that's kind of a classic thing 380 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:28,390 that everybody falls for pseudoscience 381 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:32,500 is a term used by science by 382 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,810 conventional medical science for 383 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:36,400 anything that simply doesn't conform to 384 00:18:42,690 --> 00:18:39,690 its set of rules you know it's like a 385 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:42,700 bunch of players on the field saying you 386 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:44,260 guys aren't playing by our rules 387 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:45,580 therefore you don't know how to play 388 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:47,890 right and yet all of these different 389 00:18:54,450 --> 00:18:51,040 holistic alternatives have unique sets 390 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:54,460 of rules that don't conform to the isms 391 00:18:59,010 --> 00:18:56,470 of medicine to the materialism to the 392 00:19:01,890 --> 00:18:59,020 reductionism to rationalism to 393 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:01,900 empiricism to objectivism and so on 394 00:19:09,030 --> 00:19:04,840 right maybe you know that's where I 395 00:19:13,460 --> 00:19:09,040 think I not sure that I'm one over by 396 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:13,470 the the holistic treatments the holistic 397 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:16,660 medicines if you will because you know 398 00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:19,570 when you push the issue like you did 399 00:19:23,070 --> 00:19:21,220 with those cases and I'd like you to go 400 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:23,080 through those cases and follow through 401 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:25,090 and tell us how that works out and you 402 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:26,950 know how you treat people but to say 403 00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:30,180 okay that person needs to be looked at 404 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:32,260 holistically 405 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:35,530 we maybe need to be open to other 406 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:38,710 healing modalities whether they be 407 00:19:44,010 --> 00:19:41,530 energy healing whether they be some kind 408 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:44,020 of therapy whether they be some kind of 409 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,260 group work there's so there's a whole 410 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:49,120 smorgasbord of different possibilities 411 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:52,150 that we can open ourselves up to if we 412 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:53,710 say hey there's this consciousness 413 00:20:00,120 --> 00:19:56,460 element and we don't really know how to 414 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:00,130 exactly effect it but that is key to 415 00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:02,530 this overall health that we're trying to 416 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:05,080 achieve for this person so in that sense 417 00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:07,930 I'm in total agreement with you that we 418 00:20:13,650 --> 00:20:10,180 have to be open and look at those things 419 00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:13,660 I'm less convinced and I'd like you to 420 00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:17,200 convince me that we have good solid 421 00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:23,080 evidence to tie any particular set of 422 00:20:29,910 --> 00:20:26,860 symptoms that you might diagnose to this 423 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:29,920 specific little medicine that's going to 424 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:32,740 be given I mean again it the paradox is 425 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:35,770 it sounds to me again so materialistic 426 00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:38,230 you know it's like oh you know what 427 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:39,550 we're taking a holistic approach to 428 00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:42,130 diagnosis but at the end of the day the 429 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:44,800 answer is medicine it's just in this 430 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:46,540 different form what do you think about 431 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:52,270 that I guess if you for someone who 432 00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:54,100 doesn't understand homeopathy it might 433 00:21:00,140 --> 00:20:56,440 appear that way because you're 434 00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:00,150 administering a pill so therefore 435 00:21:08,190 --> 00:21:03,070 someone assumes that's material medicine 436 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:08,200 right but in reality that's been the 437 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:11,770 knock against homeopathy for since its 438 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:15,100 inception 200 years ago that the doses 439 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:17,140 are so ridiculously small they can't 440 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:20,610 possibly have any effect so conventional 441 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:23,310 pharmacology would dismiss it as 442 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:26,560 ineffectual because the material doses 443 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:29,490 can't possibly work and homeopathy 444 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:33,130 responds by saying well they do work and 445 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:37,240 it's and then it speculates as to why 446 00:21:44,110 --> 00:21:40,180 they must work and so we have a variety 447 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:44,120 of speculative answers that 448 00:21:50,110 --> 00:21:48,320 help to try to explain why it works and 449 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:50,120 that isn't that isn't a lot of that just 450 00:21:54,670 --> 00:21:51,410 because you're on the other guys playing 451 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:54,680 field I mean you have to play by those 452 00:21:59,470 --> 00:21:57,650 rules to a certain extent because that's 453 00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:59,480 the way the game has been played out I 454 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:01,580 mean if I walked into your office and 455 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:03,680 you had a bunch of crystals around and 456 00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:06,920 at the end told me that the the crystal 457 00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:09,830 energy had had played a part in my 458 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:12,440 healing there might be a reality to that 459 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:14,420 I don't dismiss that I don't know if 460 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:16,610 that's true or not but I don't think 461 00:22:21,550 --> 00:22:19,970 that that would get you very far in the 462 00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:21,560 same way you know we did a show on 463 00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:23,270 energy healing and I went through an 464 00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:25,400 energy healing and reported on and on 465 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:27,950 the show I don't understand how energy 466 00:22:34,750 --> 00:22:30,860 healing interacts with consciousness but 467 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:34,760 it seemed to work in my case so again 468 00:22:42,340 --> 00:22:38,050 I'm uncomfortable with the idea that 469 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:42,350 that we have to in the process of being 470 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:47,030 open to alternative medicine have to 471 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:49,010 again kind of play by the other guys 472 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:51,350 rule and say and here's the answer it's 473 00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:53,450 in this little bottle here take seven 474 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:55,340 drops in your water and you'll be you'll 475 00:22:59,980 --> 00:22:58,220 be good as rain it is it not the 476 00:23:02,830 --> 00:22:59,990 interaction that they've had with you 477 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:02,840 somehow your consciousness affecting 478 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:07,000 there's or or any other number of 479 00:23:11,020 --> 00:23:09,170 variables that we would have to be open 480 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:11,030 to if we opened up to the reality of 481 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:15,050 consciousness sure those would be 482 00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:16,760 factors but that's not the primary 483 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:21,080 factor in the how homeopathy works right 484 00:23:25,390 --> 00:23:22,760 it's a factor just like anything else 485 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:25,400 and you know as far as I'm concerned I 486 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:29,150 don't really try to present it to people 487 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,790 in scientific terms I've gone way past 488 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:34,640 that I'm no longer interested in you 489 00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:39,230 know satisfying scientific demands for 490 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,720 explanations because i'll waste the rest 491 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:44,240 of my life trying to do that instead of 492 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:47,000 moving along and continuing to treat 493 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:49,130 people and learning through the lessons 494 00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:51,710 that I see and the interactions that 495 00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:55,420 occur in practicing my medicine now 496 00:24:00,769 --> 00:23:57,779 homeopathy to me is 497 00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:00,779 energy medicine because it does not work 498 00:24:07,399 --> 00:24:04,799 on a material level it doesn't work on a 499 00:24:11,209 --> 00:24:07,409 biological or a chemical level it works 500 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:11,219 somehow on the level of spirit or 501 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,529 physics or energy or whatever you want 502 00:24:18,739 --> 00:24:16,080 to call it it doesn't matter to me how I 503 00:24:20,869 --> 00:24:18,749 explain it really it matters to my 504 00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:20,879 patients my patients want to know how is 505 00:24:26,419 --> 00:24:22,739 it possible that my migraines are gone 506 00:24:28,729 --> 00:24:26,429 after 10 years you know and so I can 507 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:28,739 come up with a variety of explanations 508 00:24:33,009 --> 00:24:31,529 which sound logical but it doesn't 509 00:24:36,829 --> 00:24:33,019 matter to me it's a phenomenological 510 00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:36,839 approach that I take that proves itself 511 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:39,419 over and over and over again and has 512 00:24:44,419 --> 00:24:42,169 proven itself over and over again to 513 00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:44,429 thousands of practitioners and millions 514 00:24:50,539 --> 00:24:47,940 of patients for 200 years so to to say 515 00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:50,549 well you know what medicine then steps 516 00:24:53,899 --> 00:24:52,109 in and says yeah but how come you can't 517 00:24:55,459 --> 00:24:53,909 explain it and I say I don't know I 518 00:24:58,369 --> 00:24:55,469 can't explain it it doesn't matter to me 519 00:25:00,919 --> 00:24:58,379 that I can't explain it it what matters 520 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:00,929 to me and should matter to you is that 521 00:25:04,969 --> 00:25:02,609 it works and you should be curious 522 00:25:06,769 --> 00:25:04,979 enough to want to know that about 523 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:06,779 something that can actually help your 524 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:10,679 patients right and so you by you you you 525 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:15,570 you by step that that step of having to 526 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:18,210 explain and in essence that's what 527 00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,849 medicine is all about that's the sort of 528 00:25:26,479 --> 00:25:22,679 irony of it all right conventional 529 00:25:29,709 --> 00:25:26,489 medicine because of the nature of its 530 00:25:33,769 --> 00:25:29,719 isms and the limitations of its approach 531 00:25:36,919 --> 00:25:33,779 has very limited ability to treat 532 00:25:39,829 --> 00:25:36,929 illnesses it has almost nothing to offer 533 00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:39,839 chronic illness so most people who have 534 00:25:43,399 --> 00:25:41,940 chronic illnesses have to live with them 535 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:43,409 for the rest of their lives that's what 536 00:25:50,239 --> 00:25:46,710 chronic illness is right and that's 537 00:25:52,989 --> 00:25:50,249 because their worldview doesn't allow 538 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:52,999 them to think outside that box and 539 00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,080 doesn't allow them to seek other 540 00:26:01,849 --> 00:25:58,799 approaches that could operate on a level 541 00:26:04,339 --> 00:26:01,859 beyond just the material on the level of 542 00:26:07,239 --> 00:26:04,349 energy or an on level of physics or on a 543 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:07,249 level of bioenergy or the life force or 544 00:26:11,539 --> 00:26:10,289 consciousness or mind-body or however 545 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,549 you want to frame the 546 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,460 or characterize that all of these 547 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:16,320 different approaches that are not 548 00:26:23,019 --> 00:26:19,230 necessarily materialistic are operating 549 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:23,029 on some other level that have real life 550 00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:27,179 impact right and you know one of the 551 00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:31,039 another sort of revealing idea in 552 00:26:40,539 --> 00:26:34,519 conventional medicine is the idea of of 553 00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:40,549 placebos so to me you know a placebo in 554 00:26:47,299 --> 00:26:44,549 conventional parlance is an excuse to 555 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:47,309 ignore the mind-body concept right 556 00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,470 that's all it is we're just taking it 557 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,299 and sticking in a box and calling it a 558 00:26:55,849 --> 00:26:53,940 placebo which enables us to stick to our 559 00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:55,859 materialistic medicine that's all it 560 00:27:03,340 --> 00:26:58,710 amounts to and yet that's really 561 00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,350 powerful important stuff and yes my 562 00:27:11,779 --> 00:27:06,799 homeopathic interaction with my patients 563 00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:11,789 involves mind and and my my demeanor and 564 00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:14,279 the way I approach them has some impact 565 00:27:23,749 --> 00:27:19,559 on their healing process but if you were 566 00:27:25,369 --> 00:27:23,759 to observe the actual results and the 567 00:27:27,499 --> 00:27:25,379 problems that they start with and the 568 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:27,509 problems with the end with and how long 569 00:27:31,849 --> 00:27:29,450 it takes to get over something like 570 00:27:36,619 --> 00:27:31,859 rheumatoid arthritis some things that 571 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,629 are so seemingly material are so densely 572 00:27:41,899 --> 00:27:39,600 in ingrained in the person and to see 573 00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:41,909 those things change you realize that's 574 00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:44,190 way beyond the placebo effect it's way 575 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:49,200 beyond a routine mind-body effect it's a 576 00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,629 more powerful phenomenon that can be 577 00:27:56,869 --> 00:27:53,940 harnessed and that's that's really 578 00:27:58,489 --> 00:27:56,879 important to understand yeah I'm done 579 00:28:01,759 --> 00:27:58,499 with a lot of that I'm just a little bit 580 00:28:03,979 --> 00:28:01,769 resistant to putting it back in the same 581 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:03,989 box you know and that's what I see 582 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:06,450 happening sometimes with homeopathic 583 00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:10,529 medicine is that we can't deal with all 584 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:13,799 the mystery we can't deal with the 585 00:28:21,259 --> 00:28:17,690 mystery of placebo energy healing 586 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:21,269 environmental subtle interactions we 587 00:28:25,049 --> 00:28:23,070 roll all that together say gee we don't 588 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:25,059 know so what we're 589 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:27,759 going to put this little medicine here 590 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,220 in a box because that's what people are 591 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:31,840 comfortable with and that's how we're 592 00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,490 going to interact with it you know I 593 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:35,919 parallel to me and this is maybe 594 00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,370 venturing into the spiritual realm in a 595 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:42,399 sense is that I've worked with mediums 596 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:44,769 on the show psychic mediums and I've 597 00:28:51,749 --> 00:28:48,870 also worked with psychics in relative to 598 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:51,759 psychic detective work you know and if 599 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:53,529 you talk to those people some of them 600 00:29:00,690 --> 00:28:56,369 have different methods modalities of 601 00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:00,700 tapping into whatever that field is that 602 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:04,929 is a reality like if you're a psychic 603 00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,850 detective and you can go out and find 604 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:09,279 bodies like some of the ones I've talked 605 00:29:13,739 --> 00:29:12,100 to hey you somehow there's a reality to 606 00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,749 what you do so the question is how do 607 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:15,039 you do it and you talked to some of them 608 00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:17,289 they say oh I use tarot cards you know I 609 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:20,440 use card reading well what's there to 610 00:29:25,619 --> 00:29:22,090 card reading and somebody else's all use 611 00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,629 psycho apathy where I take an object and 612 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,279 that has certain energy and do it and 613 00:29:31,619 --> 00:29:28,960 the more you talk to these people what i 614 00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:31,629 realize is those are just vehicles those 615 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:36,070 are just ways for them to tie into 616 00:29:41,639 --> 00:29:38,980 whatever this mystery is but it isn't 617 00:29:43,739 --> 00:29:41,649 dependent on those tools I mean it might 618 00:29:46,049 --> 00:29:43,749 be for that individual person but it 619 00:29:48,029 --> 00:29:46,059 doesn't really expose the underlying 620 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:48,039 reality and I'm with you I don't think 621 00:29:53,549 --> 00:29:50,110 we have to know the underlying reality 622 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:53,559 in order to use the tools I just think 623 00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:56,409 we have to be a little bit careful about 624 00:30:02,489 --> 00:29:59,710 falling into the trap of putting so much 625 00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,499 attention on the tools instead of just 626 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:05,200 focusing on the mystery because that's 627 00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:08,830 what we're really talking about here uh 628 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:11,230 I think I understand saying I'm not sure 629 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:13,330 how how you think homeopathy is in the 630 00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,230 same box it I mean to me there's no 631 00:30:22,499 --> 00:30:19,919 doubt that there are all sorts of 632 00:30:25,619 --> 00:30:22,509 psychic phenomena and there are all 633 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:25,629 sorts of individuals out there who have 634 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:29,980 various talents and gifts some of which 635 00:30:36,029 --> 00:30:34,090 are beyond the the you know the norm and 636 00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:36,039 make use of those gifts through all 637 00:30:40,269 --> 00:30:38,179 sorts of means 638 00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:40,279 and so there's there's nothing wrong 639 00:30:44,619 --> 00:30:42,740 with that that's great stuff but the 640 00:30:48,009 --> 00:30:44,629 nice thing about homeopathy is as an 641 00:30:51,489 --> 00:30:48,019 actual sort of standardized methodology 642 00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:51,499 that anyone can use to get those sorts 643 00:30:58,690 --> 00:30:54,200 of results on a mind-body level so it 644 00:31:04,659 --> 00:30:58,700 makes it very accessible and it's not 645 00:31:07,619 --> 00:31:04,669 dismissing all of the various psychic 646 00:31:10,989 --> 00:31:07,629 phenomena or mind-body or consciousness 647 00:31:13,659 --> 00:31:10,999 related issues it acknowledges all that 648 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:13,669 but it also has its own methodology that 649 00:31:21,159 --> 00:31:16,730 it has to follow in order to be 650 00:31:23,489 --> 00:31:21,169 practiced effectively and so you know in 651 00:31:27,129 --> 00:31:23,499 that sense it is a science you know 652 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:27,139 homeopathy to me is the science of 653 00:31:35,019 --> 00:31:31,490 similars at the science of using the 654 00:31:37,989 --> 00:31:35,029 energy of substances to treat illnesses 655 00:31:40,509 --> 00:31:37,999 that have similar energies right to me 656 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:40,519 the world is full of archetypal energies 657 00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,129 and each substance manifests by 658 00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,039 expressing an archetypal energy and the 659 00:31:56,739 --> 00:31:52,399 same applies to people's symptom 660 00:31:59,799 --> 00:31:56,749 patterns and the complexes that they get 661 00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,809 our subject to and get stuck in there 662 00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:02,240 they represent archetypal energies and 663 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,580 so when you when you bring together the 664 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:06,799 archetypal energy of the person of the 665 00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:10,129 symptom pattern of the person with a 666 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:13,549 substance that resonates that that 667 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:15,950 vibrates at a similar frequency or a 668 00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:18,230 similar I cart with archetypal energy 669 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,409 then you get this rather remarkable 670 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,320 response that has been observed over and 671 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,200 over again and when you see that in that 672 00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:29,360 then makes you reflect back upon the 673 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:31,070 nature of things and say okay if this is 674 00:32:36,909 --> 00:32:33,830 true it changes everything I think about 675 00:32:38,619 --> 00:32:36,919 medicine right yep you know I don't know 676 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:38,629 if you notice Larry but when we opened 677 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:40,820 up this discussion to the skeptical form 678 00:32:45,159 --> 00:32:43,700 one of the members Bucky who i'm not 679 00:32:47,109 --> 00:32:45,169 going to real his real name but I know 680 00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:47,119 him he's really smart guy and has helped 681 00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:49,720 out on the show a couple of times but he 682 00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:51,860 exposed me to some really 683 00:32:58,289 --> 00:32:54,679 rather amazing research being done in 684 00:33:02,020 --> 00:32:58,299 Italy where a very high-profile 685 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:02,030 conventional doctor is using low-dose 686 00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:04,730 medicine does that sound like a kind of 687 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:07,820 reframe of homeopathic treatments but 688 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:11,110 he's using way way lower than would be 689 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:14,809 clinically shown to be efficacious doses 690 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:17,510 of medicine on his cancer patients and 691 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:20,570 has achieved rather amazing results 692 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:22,220 again this is the conventional path 693 00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:25,490 published in conventional journals and 694 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,559 all that kind of stuff are you aware of 695 00:33:33,610 --> 00:33:30,320 this low-dose medicine trend in 696 00:33:35,890 --> 00:33:33,620 conventional medicine no I'm not aware 697 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,900 of it in any detail but it's not 698 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:37,760 surprising at all and any homeopath 699 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:39,890 would say well gee that makes sense 700 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:41,510 because when you get down into those 701 00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:44,990 lower truly low doses it's not about 702 00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:48,980 dosing anymore it's about energy so when 703 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:51,169 when you don't have enough material 704 00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:54,730 substance to create some sort of 705 00:33:58,659 --> 00:33:57,110 physiological reaction or phenomena 706 00:34:01,600 --> 00:33:58,669 anymore you're dealing on a different 707 00:34:04,659 --> 00:34:01,610 level so perhaps that's what's happening 708 00:34:08,830 --> 00:34:04,669 and it's not surprising and medicine is 709 00:34:12,129 --> 00:34:08,840 famous for you know taking things and 710 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:12,139 making it its own in making it over into 711 00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:14,510 its own the problem is usually when it 712 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:17,830 does so it's throwing out 200 years of 713 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:22,129 of history and experience and and 714 00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:24,649 reinventing the wheel when it has 715 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:27,980 everything it needs to learn in the case 716 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:30,710 of low-dose medicine from homeopathy it 717 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:32,090 could learn all kinds of things that 718 00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:35,270 would corroborate perhaps the findings 719 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:37,550 that they're getting so it's not 720 00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:39,770 surprising at all there's a whole 721 00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:41,540 science called hormesis it's the same 722 00:34:49,899 --> 00:34:46,359 thing you know a hor mes is hormesis 723 00:34:54,909 --> 00:34:49,909 their journals of hormesis that talk 724 00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:54,919 about dose-dependent effects you know on 725 00:35:00,940 --> 00:34:58,910 and when certain drugs are used or in 726 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:00,950 different dosages you get completely 727 00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:03,290 different effects when you when it's too 728 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,230 high a dose you can get a toxic 729 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,960 like when it's just right you get a 730 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:09,280 conventional therapeutic effect when 731 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:11,770 it's very low dose you get a stimulatory 732 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:13,660 effect that's what they refer to it as 733 00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:16,359 it somehow stimulates something to 734 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:19,900 happen you know and so homeopathy makes 735 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:25,630 use of that a stimulus-response energy 736 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:29,050 effect so we use an energy to generate a 737 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:33,010 response and sit back and watch the life 738 00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:36,310 force do its thing and follow it along 739 00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:40,030 and judge whether it's moving in a 740 00:35:44,820 --> 00:35:42,580 healthy direction or movie or not moving 741 00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:44,830 in a healthy direction or or just 742 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:47,380 remaining stuck where it is right so 743 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,050 there's a whole ton of information that 744 00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:53,040 homeopathy could lend to something like 745 00:35:58,770 --> 00:35:57,430 low-dose medicine Larry your book let's 746 00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,780 talk about these a couple of these books 747 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:01,480 first metaphysics and medicine restoring 748 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,369 freedom of thought to the art and 749 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:06,480 science of healing what's that about 750 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,070 well it's a lot of it is about what 751 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:11,040 we've been talking about without the 752 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:15,600 without the homeopathy it's it's really 753 00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:18,250 several themes run throughout one of 754 00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:21,369 which is the idea that these isms of 755 00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:26,220 medicine and in essence result in a 756 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:29,109 swell qing of freedom of thought within 757 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:31,510 medicine if you can't think outside 758 00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:35,770 those rules then how are we to come up 759 00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:38,200 with new ideas find new ways of healing 760 00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:40,420 and treating people so freedom of 761 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:43,390 thought is limited it's by conventional 762 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:46,090 medicine it's all about the logic of 763 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:48,970 medicine versus the reality of patients 764 00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:51,720 so another one of those isms is 765 00:37:00,780 --> 00:36:56,080 rationalism if to me this is sort of the 766 00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:00,790 modern disease where we're such thinking 767 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:04,840 beings that we are inclined to believe 768 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:09,730 things that sound logical and that make 769 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:12,570 logical sense to us right rather than 770 00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:17,369 the reality of patients and their own 771 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:18,940 experiences and the 772 00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:23,290 that effect of these isms is to downplay 773 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:27,339 and denigrate the experiential reality 774 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:31,260 of patients and the the validity of 775 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:35,010 people's experiences science actually 776 00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:38,200 mistrusts experience almost as its 777 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,560 baseline position I don't trust your 778 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:44,520 experience that's why a doctor will say 779 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:46,930 after patient explained something a 780 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:48,609 doctor at least may think to them to 781 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:51,550 himself well that's just anecdote that's 782 00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:54,460 an anecdotal story let's find out what 783 00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:57,670 the science says we'll run the tests and 784 00:38:03,809 --> 00:38:00,010 do the x-rays and then we'll get the 785 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:03,819 real story right and so that plays 786 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:06,430 itself out in reality in many ways right 787 00:38:13,290 --> 00:38:08,890 so you have sort of a the logic of 788 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:13,300 Medicine says that depression is a 789 00:38:17,970 --> 00:38:15,430 chemical imbalance having something to 790 00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:17,980 do with you know neurons and 791 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:20,619 neurochemical and serotonin and so on 792 00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:24,010 and the patient says no my depression 793 00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,540 has to do with the fact that I got fired 794 00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:28,480 from my job to two months ago right or 795 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:30,849 the other patient says no my depression 796 00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:31,930 has to do with the fact that my 797 00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:33,430 grandmother died and she was my best 798 00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:37,079 friend in the whole world right and so 799 00:38:45,210 --> 00:38:40,780 it I don't doubt that on the material 800 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:45,220 level you may find that the death of 801 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:46,750 your grandmother are the loss of your 802 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:50,170 job alters your brain chemistry in a 803 00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:51,910 certain way but that doesn't mean the 804 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,520 brain chemistry is the source or cause 805 00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,240 of your depression it's simply an 806 00:39:01,530 --> 00:38:59,920 accompanying phenomenon that goes along 807 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:01,540 with your depression on the material 808 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:07,210 level right on another very simple level 809 00:39:16,859 --> 00:39:13,180 you have sort of basic protocols like 810 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:16,869 when someone injures a body part right 811 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:19,650 sprains an ankle for example 812 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:21,970 automatically every doctor on a planet 813 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:25,300 and every other ancillary health 814 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:27,490 professional will say put ice on it you 815 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:31,150 got to put ice on it right and what 816 00:39:36,009 --> 00:39:32,839 homeopathy teaches me 817 00:39:38,049 --> 00:39:36,019 is that that's not always true and there 818 00:39:41,769 --> 00:39:38,059 are plenty of people out there who will 819 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:41,779 say I sprained my ankle and I attempted 820 00:39:46,059 --> 00:39:43,609 to put ice on it and it aggravated the 821 00:39:48,489 --> 00:39:46,069 heck out of it but and so then I tried 822 00:39:51,339 --> 00:39:48,499 heat and it actually helped and the same 823 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:51,349 is true down the road so it could be you 824 00:39:56,349 --> 00:39:54,049 know uh it could be three months after I 825 00:39:58,799 --> 00:39:56,359 sprained my ankle my ankle still bothers 826 00:40:02,259 --> 00:39:58,809 me it's still sore it's still stiff and 827 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:02,269 a certain percentage of people will say 828 00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:05,390 that putting ice on it helps it feel 829 00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:07,069 better and another percentage of people 830 00:40:10,989 --> 00:40:08,630 will say putting heat on it makes it 831 00:40:14,099 --> 00:40:10,999 feel better so there are no rules there 832 00:40:16,209 --> 00:40:14,109 are only individual realities of 833 00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:16,219 individual symptom patterns and 834 00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:18,700 individual patients and that 835 00:40:24,609 --> 00:40:21,950 experiential reality reality that we 836 00:40:27,999 --> 00:40:24,619 should be listening to and from our 837 00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:28,009 patients is what counts not to say that 838 00:40:32,859 --> 00:40:30,229 the logic of medicine doesn't have a 839 00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:32,869 role right certainly it makes sense that 840 00:40:40,269 --> 00:40:37,420 if you medicine teaches us that if we 841 00:40:41,709 --> 00:40:40,279 rupture an artery and we need to go in 842 00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:41,719 there and cut you open and figure out 843 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:43,869 how to sew it up and so on and so forth 844 00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:47,450 in that sense that logic makes same 845 00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:49,999 sense but many times especially in terms 846 00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:53,150 of chronic illnesses the logic of 847 00:40:58,509 --> 00:40:56,119 medicine doesn't make sense and often 848 00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:58,519 runs contrary to the experience of 849 00:41:04,329 --> 00:41:00,890 people I want to touch on a couple of 850 00:41:06,249 --> 00:41:04,339 things there first the operative word to 851 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:06,259 me in what you're talking about is 852 00:41:13,959 --> 00:41:10,130 freedom you know the freedom to explore 853 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:13,969 the boundaries of what we know in terms 854 00:41:20,499 --> 00:41:17,150 of healing and I think that anyone who 855 00:41:23,019 --> 00:41:20,509 just takes an honest look at medical 856 00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:23,029 science and the way it advances will see 857 00:41:27,009 --> 00:41:24,559 that there really isn't that freedom I 858 00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:27,019 mean these guys are in a box in terms of 859 00:41:31,329 --> 00:41:29,150 what they can research what tests they 860 00:41:33,759 --> 00:41:31,339 can fund and gosh darn it they better 861 00:41:36,969 --> 00:41:33,769 get these results that are supported by 862 00:41:38,709 --> 00:41:36,979 our corporate sponsors or it just isn't 863 00:41:40,809 --> 00:41:38,719 going anywhere that's just a reality 864 00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:40,819 we've spoken about that many times on 865 00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:42,440 this show and anyone who doesn't 866 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:44,630 acknowledge that I think is is just got 867 00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:46,670 their head in the sand so there isn't 868 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:48,350 freedom to explore these other things 869 00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:49,820 the other thing that I think is 870 00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:52,280 extremely profound about what you're 871 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:53,540 saying and it's again something we've 872 00:41:59,680 --> 00:41:56,210 talked about a lot is that if you get 873 00:42:02,590 --> 00:41:59,690 the big picture stuff wrong you can't 874 00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:02,600 get a lot of stuff right and what you 875 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:05,420 touched on about experience is I think 876 00:42:10,270 --> 00:42:07,070 fundamental to this because it relates 877 00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:10,280 to consciousness the scientific paradigm 878 00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:13,360 that we live in tells us that we are 879 00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,580 biological robots that we are purely a 880 00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:20,240 product of our brain that there is no us 881 00:42:26,530 --> 00:42:23,600 in there there is no reality to our 882 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:26,540 experience and that filters down like 883 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:29,390 you're saying into a medical profession 884 00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:32,650 that really does not want to hear about 885 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:35,900 experience and then an insurance 886 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:38,330 industry that that certainly doesn't 887 00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:39,890 want to hear about it because they can't 888 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:42,380 charge for it and they can't tie it back 889 00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:45,110 to a billable kind of item so I think 890 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:48,020 when we mess up the big stuff and that's 891 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:50,630 what search first attracted me to your 892 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:52,190 to your work Larry because it runs 893 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:53,750 throughout this theme runs throughout 894 00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:56,330 and you do a wonderful job of exploring 895 00:43:00,850 --> 00:42:58,730 it both in green medicine and in 896 00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:00,860 metaphysics and medicine is this idea 897 00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:02,600 that you know when you have a 898 00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:05,660 materialistic science that doesn't 899 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:08,060 acknowledge even that there is a reality 900 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:11,330 to experience get this folks I mean it's 901 00:43:16,860 --> 00:43:12,890 it's hard to believe you think this is 902 00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:16,870 kooky to say but conventional science 903 00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:20,750 thinks that experience is an illusion 904 00:43:27,070 --> 00:43:23,630 that it there is no reality to it it's 905 00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:27,080 just your brain firing off randomly and 906 00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:29,180 you're thinking that that's a reality 907 00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:32,150 but it's not really once you get that 908 00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,060 wrong I think your your your hamstring 909 00:43:39,850 --> 00:43:37,280 from the beginning and you wind up with 910 00:43:41,890 --> 00:43:39,860 all these weird things that I think 911 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:41,900 you're talking about I I really like 912 00:43:47,830 --> 00:43:44,780 that part of what you're saying yeah and 913 00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:47,840 and and the interesting thing is you 914 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:50,600 realize how conditioned the world is in 915 00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:53,110 terms of the scientific worldview so 916 00:44:01,820 --> 00:43:59,160 patients come to me thinking that 917 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,830 they have to lay out their problems to 918 00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:04,560 me in scientific terms uh-huh and so 919 00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,840 they'll start to give me a scientific 920 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,520 medical explanation about what they have 921 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:11,280 and I'll say I'll stop them and I'll say 922 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:13,770 no no please just tell me what's 923 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:16,050 bothering you let me know what your 924 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:18,570 experience is and some of them look at 925 00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:21,510 me like I'm crazy as if to say well 926 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:24,150 don't you understand what arthritis is 927 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:26,220 you know and i'll say yes of course i 928 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:28,020 understand with arthritis is but i want 929 00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:30,210 you to tell me about your experience 930 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:33,600 with this so-called arthritis this label 931 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:36,030 that we've given it this this this box 932 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:39,690 we've stuck it into you know and so it's 933 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:41,310 it's kind of funny i have to educate 934 00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:44,790 patients in order to teach them how to 935 00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:47,190 learn how to tune into their own 936 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:48,990 experiences because they've been so 937 00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:52,050 programmed not to pay attention to that 938 00:44:59,830 --> 00:44:56,340 and and in metaphysics of medicine it's 939 00:45:05,600 --> 00:44:59,840 talking about how those isms of Medicine 940 00:45:07,850 --> 00:45:05,610 prohibit the exploration or accept our 941 00:45:09,830 --> 00:45:07,860 acceptance of experience right so if 942 00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:09,840 we're talking about materialism well 943 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:11,910 nothing in material can be talked about 944 00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:13,530 we're only going to talk about physical 945 00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:17,400 things not in material experience if 946 00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,670 we're talking about objectivism then 947 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:23,520 anything subjective is downplayed 948 00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:26,370 excluded or dismissed and and our own 949 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:28,950 personal experiences are subjective 950 00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:32,130 right and if we're talking about dualism 951 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:34,860 well that splits off mind from body and 952 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:38,130 only focuses on body leaving out mind 953 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:40,170 and experience and if we're talking 954 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:43,170 about even empiricism you know to me 955 00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,150 which is one of those sort of it's a 956 00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:47,940 kind of confusing concept empiricism is 957 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:53,790 a is a you know a can of worms it's you 958 00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,450 think empiricism means openness to 959 00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:00,000 experience in our observations and yet 960 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:02,430 science has reduced that with its 961 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:06,480 reductionism to just the anatomical and 962 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:08,690 physical and material aspects of 963 00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:12,630 observation and not our experiential 964 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:16,260 observations or observations of others 965 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:18,930 experiences and so you know you can't 966 00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:22,050 win it's it's a it's a it's a very rigid 967 00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:25,470 box that they've got themselves stuck 968 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:27,360 into they don't realize they're in it 969 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:29,130 they don't even understand it they think 970 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:33,630 that that science and they are you know 971 00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:34,950 that's how they're trained and that's 972 00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:36,660 what they do but to me there's a 973 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,720 difference between science as it was 974 00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:42,560 originally conceived to be open-minded 975 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:46,350 inquiry into the world modern material 976 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:48,090 of science which is stuck in its ways 977 00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:50,790 which if it just simply stopped and said 978 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:54,630 okay alright we acknowledge that these 979 00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:57,330 are the limitations of our science then 980 00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,680 I'd have no problem with it would be 981 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:00,780 perfectly fine right all right then go 982 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:02,490 about and do your thing and acknowledge 983 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:06,500 these are the rules but also allow for 984 00:47:11,090 --> 00:47:09,510 other possibilities and then you take it 985 00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:11,100 a step further and you have scientism 986 00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:14,070 which is of the whole crew out there who 987 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:17,460 says that these isms of medicine and 988 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:20,730 isms of science are the only way to go 989 00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:23,550 and nothing else is possible and so 990 00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:25,260 those are the sort of fundamentalists 991 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:29,060 who's who's you know support 992 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,410 fundamentalist science you can't even 993 00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:33,690 talk to those people because they there 994 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:36,540 they can't think outside that box they 995 00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,960 are there it's a faith-based belief in 996 00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:42,540 science and then to me you have 997 00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,550 authentic science and authentic science 998 00:47:51,830 --> 00:47:46,500 is open to everything and I don't see 999 00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:51,840 why you can't study psychological 1000 00:47:58,850 --> 00:47:55,590 emotional spiritual sighs so paranormal 1001 00:48:00,410 --> 00:47:58,860 phenomena with science it makes no sense 1002 00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,420 that you can't do that you mean of 1003 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:02,160 course you can do that you just have to 1004 00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:04,050 be open-minded enough to say okay we're 1005 00:48:08,990 --> 00:48:07,230 going to get a you know observe a bunch 1006 00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:09,000 of people talk to them learn about it 1007 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,340 and learn as much as we can about these 1008 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:13,380 phenomena and that's a science of those 1009 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:17,130 of the immaterial right right that again 1010 00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:20,010 maybe the reality is we're so far from 1011 00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:23,940 that that it might not even be 1012 00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,200 productive to talk about I mean 1013 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:28,240 a couple of touch points I just threw on 1014 00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:30,130 the table and get your your thoughts on 1015 00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,420 one is the system as we all know the 1016 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:37,839 medical system is really broken in some 1017 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:40,570 fundamental ways that are just scary you 1018 00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:42,460 know a lot of people I'm sure are aware 1019 00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:45,070 of the CDC coming out recently a 1020 00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:47,320 whistleblower in the Center for Disease 1021 00:48:52,859 --> 00:48:50,200 Control coming out and doing this exposé 1022 00:48:56,099 --> 00:48:52,869 on vaccines and say hey you know I gotta 1023 00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,109 admit Wakefield was right we did see 1024 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:00,160 this link between autism and vaccines we 1025 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,230 just were afraid to talk about it we're 1026 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,000 told not to talk about it we're told to 1027 00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:06,640 change the numbers right so I mean at 1028 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:09,880 one level if you want to say hey maybe 1029 00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,650 science can help us because the 1030 00:49:16,589 --> 00:49:14,079 scientific method pure science can help 1031 00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,599 us we got some realities to deal with 1032 00:49:23,069 --> 00:49:19,390 the first is that reality that there are 1033 00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,079 forces economic forces power control 1034 00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:25,780 forces that are going to drive the the 1035 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:28,990 train off the rails and then you have 1036 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:31,480 some other phenomena that we've kind of 1037 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:33,250 bumped into that we don't know what to 1038 00:49:39,569 --> 00:49:37,210 do with that also inhibit pure science 1039 00:49:42,210 --> 00:49:39,579 if you will medical science want to be 1040 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:42,220 the experimenter effect we know 1041 00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:46,089 experimentally that we can control an 1042 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:49,060 experiment as tightly as we possibly can 1043 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,670 and one experimenter will get one result 1044 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:54,160 and another experimenter can get a 1045 00:50:00,120 --> 00:49:57,010 different result well so we can't 1046 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:00,130 separate that out and then third I i I'd 1047 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:01,750 like your thoughts on this and maybe you 1048 00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:03,849 saw this the other day but it ran it is 1049 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:06,609 actually a few years ago but the decline 1050 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:09,730 effect so now people that are really 1051 00:50:15,140 --> 00:50:12,490 honestly looking at medical science are 1052 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:15,150 noticing that some of our treatments are 1053 00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:18,430 declining their efficacy is declining 1054 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:20,380 over the years right so we did these 1055 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:23,640 things 10 years ago and hey these 1056 00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,410 blockers that for mild depression you 1057 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,480 know they work 10 years later you know 1058 00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:30,160 what they don't work the same what every 1059 00:50:33,089 --> 00:50:31,390 that would try and do it we try and do 1060 00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:33,099 everything the same way there is a 1061 00:50:37,859 --> 00:50:35,140 decline effect maybe it has something to 1062 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:37,869 do with this you know hundredth monkey 1063 00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:40,090 group conscious we don't know 1064 00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:43,240 so there's a number of ways that I would 1065 00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:46,120 suggest that medical science isn't 1066 00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:49,720 really repairable in the way that we're 1067 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:51,340 talking about here and I'd love to get 1068 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:53,290 your thoughts on any one of those three 1069 00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,290 either the CDC and the corruption or the 1070 00:51:02,010 --> 00:50:58,150 experimenter effect or the decline 1071 00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:02,020 effect okay that's yeah i mean i don't 1072 00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:04,990 disagree with all that you said i don't 1073 00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:07,990 know how to explain a decline effect i 1074 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:12,670 think it makes sense though that human 1075 00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:16,650 life evolves and changes and 1076 00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:20,200 consciousness changes and so let me just 1077 00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:21,550 interject something Larry because I had 1078 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:22,780 a guest on the show he's been on the 1079 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:24,970 show several times it dr. Rupert 1080 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:27,010 Sheldrake he's a biologist at Cambridge 1081 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:29,890 biologist and he has this theory called 1082 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:32,530 morphic residents so that you're 1083 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:33,910 familiar with it but she did this 1084 00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:35,530 wonderfully simple experiment i'll share 1085 00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:37,750 it with listeners in and you as well but 1086 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:40,180 i think it really captured it he did an 1087 00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:42,910 experiment where he had people solve the 1088 00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:45,880 London Times crossword puzzle and he 1089 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:47,860 timed how long this group of people on 1090 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:50,170 average were able to suck to solve it on 1091 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:52,210 Sunday morning right after the papers 1092 00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:54,370 published then he took another group of 1093 00:51:58,830 --> 00:51:56,590 people they were not exposed to the 1094 00:52:00,930 --> 00:51:58,840 crossword puzzle in any way talk to 1095 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:00,940 anyone anyway and they did it on Monday 1096 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:04,060 morning the people on Monday morning 1097 00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:06,250 were able to do it a little bit faster 1098 00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,460 there was a collective experience we can 1099 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:10,960 only assume this is the theory right 1100 00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:12,370 there's some kind of collective 1101 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:14,920 experience it I think in some way that I 1102 00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:16,690 don't understand that might have 1103 00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:18,220 something to do with the decline effect 1104 00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:21,060 you know I mean the holder it's all 1105 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:23,710 together in a way that we can't pull 1106 00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,130 apart yeah I mean I know that I mean 1107 00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:29,200 Sheldrake is the one who inspired my 1108 00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:31,360 meta physics and medicine in essence I'm 1109 00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:34,420 saying you know I want freedom of 1110 00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:36,550 thought for medicine and in Sheldrake is 1111 00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:38,080 saying we need freedom of thought for 1112 00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:42,190 science right and you know I'm aware of 1113 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:44,320 that whole concept that like when it 1114 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:47,890 went to synthesize a substance a newly 1115 00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,170 found a newly created substance to 1116 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:52,720 synthesize it in the lab the more you do 1117 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:53,890 it over time 1118 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:55,690 easier it's done even though you don't 1119 00:53:00,660 --> 00:52:58,090 change the method of doing it right 1120 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,670 right so so you know and he says okay 1121 00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:03,000 though these are morphic fields becoming 1122 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:05,590 amplified so to speak and making it 1123 00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:08,020 happen easier so there's no doubt 1124 00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:09,940 there's all kinds of phenomena like that 1125 00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:12,700 and that's what science should be open 1126 00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:15,300 to studying and I agree with you that 1127 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:18,520 even if science opens its mind to 1128 00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:21,850 everything and wishes to study it you're 1129 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:26,500 not going to find all of your answers by 1130 00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:29,290 using just a scientific method there 1131 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:31,780 have to be a variety of methods that you 1132 00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:34,330 can use to learn about these phenomena 1133 00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,360 not just one particular scientific 1134 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:39,040 method or two or three particular 1135 00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:41,650 scientific methods you know you can just 1136 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:46,000 learn a lot by an experiential exercise 1137 00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:47,890 right there there's all kinds of things 1138 00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:50,350 that you can do going back to that idea 1139 00:53:57,330 --> 00:53:54,280 of experience that we're talking about 1140 00:53:59,780 --> 00:53:57,340 you know and and vaccines and autism I 1141 00:54:05,250 --> 00:53:59,790 mean to me it's the ultimate 1142 00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:05,260 mind-boggling denial for a patient a 1143 00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:07,000 mother to walk into a doctor's office 1144 00:54:13,860 --> 00:54:10,840 and say my child was normal my child was 1145 00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:13,870 vaccinated yesterday today my child is 1146 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:17,140 acting almost like a vegetable but you 1147 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:20,410 tell me that's just an anecdotal piece 1148 00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:23,500 of evidence that is not proven or 1149 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:26,560 corroborated by real science and to me 1150 00:54:30,780 --> 00:54:28,450 that's just their cute little way of 1151 00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:30,790 denying reality when they don't want to 1152 00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:35,620 face the truth of the implications of 1153 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:37,390 the things that are being done and 1154 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:41,530 vaccines are can be very deadly in many 1155 00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:43,510 cases and can cause all kinds of health 1156 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:46,030 problem not just autism and I've spent 1157 00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:49,150 you know a career trying to undo some of 1158 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:51,550 that damage for for many patients who 1159 00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:53,800 come to see me with their health 1160 00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,110 problems that they tell me originated 1161 00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:59,200 with that X vaccine X that they took you 1162 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:00,940 know so that's a reality there's no 1163 00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:04,120 doubt about that and and the group think 1164 00:55:08,010 --> 00:55:06,940 of medicine is so powerful that you know 1165 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:08,020 you can't 1166 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:09,850 change that and that they're going to 1167 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:14,530 find ways to dissemble and to deny and 1168 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:17,530 to think themselves out of it I don't 1169 00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:20,250 think they are on a collective level 1170 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:22,750 purposely denying responsibility I think 1171 00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:24,490 they just convince themselves of that 1172 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:26,440 will see that that's in there and that's 1173 00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:28,090 why I think the vaccine case is 1174 00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:29,980 interesting because I think they did in 1175 00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:32,230 that case and the evidence suggests that 1176 00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,660 they did right so Paul on an individual 1177 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:36,160 level are certain groups of people but 1178 00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:38,530 on the whole big level all the doctors 1179 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:40,600 out there but it's a mixture it's a 1180 00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:42,970 mixture right so yes because you know 1181 00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:44,350 the point that you say about the 1182 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:47,320 experience of the of these poor parents 1183 00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:49,330 and I'm a parent and no one knows their 1184 00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:51,340 kid like a parent so you know you talk 1185 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:53,350 about the experience they know but in 1186 00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,210 this case it's amplified by the fact 1187 00:56:01,530 --> 00:55:58,140 that they go and see this this gastro 1188 00:56:03,540 --> 00:56:01,540 specialist andrew wakefield and he just 1189 00:56:04,890 --> 00:56:03,550 does good medicine right so he starts 1190 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:04,900 seeing a bunch of these people and he 1191 00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:06,850 starts seeing the pattern like you were 1192 00:56:13,770 --> 00:56:09,280 talking about so he says gee they're all 1193 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:13,780 saying it's tied to this and they all 1194 00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:16,450 have this gastro problem that I've seen 1195 00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:18,220 before boom and he starts investigating 1196 00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:21,220 I mean that's how science is supposed to 1197 00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:23,860 work observe natural patterns and pursue 1198 00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,080 it further but what comes up from the 1199 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:29,680 CDC is that there was an orchestrated 1200 00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:34,210 effort to not only suppress that 1201 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:37,870 investigation but to completely turn it 1202 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:40,900 around and to send out a scare tactic in 1203 00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:42,910 the way that Wakefield was treated so 1204 00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:45,880 that this machine would keep going and 1205 00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:48,430 now they will justify it and the 1206 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,950 justification for it is hey we have to 1207 00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:53,200 protect the herd right we can't let 1208 00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:55,270 polio get out and start running rampant 1209 00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,930 so hey their logic that's their logic so 1210 00:57:03,210 --> 00:57:00,880 we have to tease that out too that 1211 00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:03,220 there's some folks at some level of 1212 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:06,100 control as is revealed through the CDC 1213 00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:07,930 through the whistleblower we're not 1214 00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:09,940 making this up but there's some people 1215 00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:11,380 with some very high levels who are 1216 00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:13,950 making those kind of tough decisions 1217 00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:16,630 nasty decisions I don't know evil 1218 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,910 decisions but you know that's in that's 1219 00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:21,680 at play too absolutely 1220 00:57:28,030 --> 00:57:25,520 there's no doubt there is a group of 1221 00:57:29,799 --> 00:57:28,040 people out there who do not want to 1222 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:29,809 acknowledge the truth and trying to find 1223 00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:31,609 ways to cover it up and that happens in 1224 00:57:35,799 --> 00:57:34,339 all kinds of power structures in 1225 00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,809 structures is where there are too much 1226 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:37,760 power and not enough accountability and 1227 00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:41,450 not and no no wait to review them or 1228 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:43,160 answer to anyone else and that's what 1229 00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:46,490 happens but you know on an individual 1230 00:57:52,839 --> 00:57:49,880 level we all know otherwise most many 1231 00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,849 people know otherwise and the people who 1232 00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,980 are the ones who experience these things 1233 00:58:01,120 --> 00:57:56,960 are the ones who know for sure and 1234 00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:01,130 that's always the bottom line to me it's 1235 00:58:09,730 --> 00:58:07,400 it's like everybody has no problem with 1236 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:09,740 medicine until they have a health 1237 00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,510 problem right then and then they 1238 00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:13,520 interact with the system and then they 1239 00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:15,710 go oh my god you know and then they say 1240 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:18,440 oh my holy moly what I didn't realize it 1241 00:58:22,839 --> 00:58:20,690 was like this and before that they had a 1242 00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,849 faith-based belief in the science of 1243 00:58:28,569 --> 00:58:26,000 medicine without any experience to back 1244 00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:28,579 it up right but when experience and the 1245 00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:31,160 rubber hits the road then the reality 1246 00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:34,040 comes through and you're forced to 1247 00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:37,640 rethink all of your basic beliefs and it 1248 00:58:44,170 --> 00:58:42,740 makes you rien oh the science of 1249 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:44,180 medicine and makes you think differently 1250 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:46,730 about these things you know Larry tilt 1251 00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:48,530 looks a little bit about your website 1252 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:51,190 and what they'll find if they go there 1253 00:59:01,960 --> 00:58:55,210 sure my website is called spirit science 1254 00:59:04,809 --> 00:59:01,970 healing calm and on it are many articles 1255 00:59:09,339 --> 00:59:04,819 written about the very topics that we've 1256 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:09,349 been talking about mostly by myself but 1257 00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:12,650 also about others there are also there's 1258 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:17,030 also a a photo gallery which as far as I 1259 00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:19,609 know is the largest one of its kind on 1260 00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:24,460 on the web of homeopathic institutions 1261 00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:26,660 so there are about a hundred different 1262 00:59:30,609 --> 00:59:28,460 homeopathic hospitals in homeopathic 1263 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:30,619 schools and homeopathic persons and 1264 00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:32,569 homeopathic monuments and there are 1265 00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:34,870 images that most a lot of which came 1266 00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:37,870 from my postcards and so it's kind of a 1267 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:42,190 nice history of homeopathy in pictures 1268 00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:45,130 there and there's a lot of good 1269 00:59:49,530 --> 00:59:47,080 information about both homeopathy and 1270 00:59:52,290 --> 00:59:49,540 all the topics that we've been talking 1271 00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:52,300 about great our guests again has been 1272 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:55,060 dr. Larry malerba the books you might 1273 01:00:00,510 --> 00:59:57,010 want to check out metaphysics and 1274 01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:00,520 medicine and green medicine Larry it's 1275 01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,110 been great having you on thanks so much 1276 01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:04,240 for joining me thanks Alex I appreciate 1277 01:00:08,570 --> 01:00:06,080 it 1278 01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:08,580 thanks again to dr. Marber for joining 1279 01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:10,680 me today on skeptic oh I have just one 1280 01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:12,720 question to tee up from this interview 1281 01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:15,900 and it has to do with the shut up and 1282 01:00:22,060 --> 01:00:18,900 calculate aspect of conventional 1283 01:00:25,370 --> 01:00:22,070 medicine versus the more holistic 1284 01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:25,380 approach that dr. Mohler bow was talking 1285 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:28,920 about and how both can be successful but 1286 01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:32,250 only at the expense of the other so let 1287 01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:33,540 me try and pull that apart real quickly 1288 01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:35,190 if i can and then hopefully you 1289 01:00:38,810 --> 01:00:36,420 understand it and we can start a 1290 01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:38,820 dialogue about it and maybe you can 1291 01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:40,560 express some of these ideas better than 1292 01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:42,510 I can but if you know anything about the 1293 01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:44,070 history of quantum physics you know that 1294 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:46,590 these guys very early on 100 years ago 1295 01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:48,810 reach this kind of dilemma this breaking 1296 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:51,600 point in terms of hey we have this these 1297 01:00:56,030 --> 01:00:53,850 quantum effects that we can't deny they 1298 01:00:58,550 --> 01:00:56,040 happen we have the double-slit we have 1299 01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,560 observer effect we have entanglement we 1300 01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:00,900 can see all this stuff in the lab we 1301 01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:03,300 know it's happening but we can't explain 1302 01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:05,580 it it doesn't fit within our science but 1303 01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:07,860 then our newtonian conventional model it 1304 01:01:12,590 --> 01:01:10,500 doesn't fit but it's very powerful so 1305 01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,600 the resolution is shut up and calculate 1306 01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:14,220 that is don't worry about the 1307 01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:16,230 philosophical implications for quantum 1308 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:18,030 theory something we kind of babble and 1309 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,250 talk about some time on this show just 1310 01:01:26,830 --> 01:01:22,980 do the calculations and make good stuff 1311 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:26,840 like GPS and all this other fantastic 1312 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:30,210 technology that uses the theory of 1313 01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:33,690 quantum physics but never addresses the 1314 01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:35,550 philosophical question so that's the 1315 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:37,740 shut up and calculate aspect of it that 1316 01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:40,170 I think comes into play when we talk 1317 01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:41,580 about conventional medicine right 1318 01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,980 because there's no denying the 1319 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:45,660 tremendous advances that have been made 1320 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:48,210 in medicine the tools we have the 1321 01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:50,730 treatments we have are stunning and when 1322 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:52,200 we compare them with a hundred years ago 1323 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:54,090 over 200 years ago it's just beyond 1324 01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:56,490 belief we have the same nagging 1325 01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:58,410 philosophical questions that we kind of 1326 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:00,780 touched on in this interview what does 1327 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:03,090 it mean to be human what is really 1328 01:02:07,310 --> 01:02:05,250 happening with healing how is 1329 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:07,320 consciousness coming into play with all 1330 01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:09,810 these different treatments we see and if 1331 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:11,550 we're honest and open about really 1332 01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:13,050 looking at that we have a lot of 1333 01:02:18,590 --> 01:02:15,510 questions and we don't have a lot of 1334 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:18,600 answers so let me try and roll that into 1335 01:02:22,810 --> 01:02:19,610 a quest 1336 01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:22,820 is conventional medicine hamstrung by 1337 01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,030 materialistic science or does shut up 1338 01:02:29,860 --> 01:02:28,160 and calculate work just fine and we 1339 01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:29,870 shouldn't worry about the nagging 1340 01:02:35,470 --> 01:02:33,680 underlying philosophical questions so 1341 01:02:37,150 --> 01:02:35,480 there's the topic for discussion love to 1342 01:02:38,590 --> 01:02:37,160 hear your thoughts on it I'll throw my 1343 01:02:40,660 --> 01:02:38,600 own in there and we'll see if we can 1344 01:02:42,250 --> 01:02:40,670 make any progress of course the place 1345 01:02:44,980 --> 01:02:42,260 for us to connect on this topic is 1346 01:02:48,730 --> 01:02:44,990 through the skeptic Oh website at ske 1347 01:02:50,770 --> 01:02:48,740 pti KO kaam you can jump on over the 1348 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:50,780 forum leave a comment right there send 1349 01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:53,330 me an email Facebook whatever you think 1350 01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:55,190 will work and I'll do my best to get 1351 01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:57,110 back to you so I have a number of 1352 01:03:01,420 --> 01:02:59,450 interesting shows coming up they just 1353 01:03:03,550 --> 01:03:01,430 keep they just keep rolling right along 1354 01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:03,560 and I have some ideas for some new 1355 01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:05,660 approaches to handling some of these 1356 01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:07,700 interviews and along the lines of 1357 01:03:12,070 --> 01:03:09,560 skeptical 3.0 we've talked about and 1358 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:12,080 tying them into my book why science is 1359 01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:14,030 wrong which I still have to thank 1360 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:15,980 everyone for continuing to support the 1361 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:18,170 book you know I don't care so much about 1362 01:03:22,690 --> 01:03:20,450 the sales of the book except that it 1363 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:22,700 does help to get the word out and kind 1364 01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:25,010 of grow and expand this community it 1365 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:27,320 certainly has allowed me to go in some 1366 01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:29,090 places that have been very interesting 1367 01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:30,440 for me so I just want to say I do 1368 01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:32,390 appreciate your support on the book and 1369 01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:34,550 I don't plug the book all the time but 1370 01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:36,620 those of you who have bought the book or 1371 01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:38,150 written review in the book or mention 1372 01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:40,550 the book is just great I just can't 1373 01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:42,650 thank you enough for that so let me get 1374 01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,780 that out of the way as well but I do 1375 01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:46,640 have these shows coming up and I hope 1376 01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:48,560 you'll stick with me for all of that 1377 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:51,710 until next time take care and bye for